Hier en daar schijnt het middel Clartan (de juiste schrijfwijze weet ik niet) te worden gebruikt tegen varroamijten. Op dit woord heb ik gezocht in alle eerdere berichten van dit forum, doch ik vond niets.
Het schijnt in Duitsland veel te zijn gebruikt. Mogelijk is de naam in Nederland anders. Of dit een productnaam of de naam van de werkzame stof is, weet ik ook niet.
Heeft iemand ervaring met Clartan of weet iemand er meer van te vertellen? Hoe is het met de resistentie bij dit middel?
Albert
Clartan
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Piet Jager
- Berichten: 2128
- Lid geworden op: za 18 nov 2000, 00:00
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Re: Clartan
I got a question for everybody;
> Has anyone of you came across the miticide "clartan"
> or "clatan" or something
> sounding like this, because this is what another
>apiary (Philippines) is using for Varoa mite control.
>I don't know the particulars because it was just sold
>to me by the beekeeper I bought one of my nucs from ,
>although I asked, he could not give me the
>particulars. It came in a highly absorbent piece/strip
>of wood, so I guess it was in liquid form and the wood
>was soaked in it.
Clartan = Fluvalinate
The problem with Klartan is that it is not available in a form tested
and approved for use in beekeeping.
It is thought that beekeepers in Italy used a liquid agricultural
formulation of Klartan, absorbed on a porous piece of wood or similar
to combat varroa. Because there was no control over the amount
applied, this practise inevitably gave rise to resistance, not only to
Klartan, but to the whole class of synthetic pyrethroids including
Bayvarol and Apistan.
At the risk of repeating what has already been stated many times on
this list, stick to approved products, used according to the label.
!Piet
> Has anyone of you came across the miticide "clartan"
> or "clatan" or something
> sounding like this, because this is what another
>apiary (Philippines) is using for Varoa mite control.
>I don't know the particulars because it was just sold
>to me by the beekeeper I bought one of my nucs from ,
>although I asked, he could not give me the
>particulars. It came in a highly absorbent piece/strip
>of wood, so I guess it was in liquid form and the wood
>was soaked in it.
Clartan = Fluvalinate
The problem with Klartan is that it is not available in a form tested
and approved for use in beekeeping.
It is thought that beekeepers in Italy used a liquid agricultural
formulation of Klartan, absorbed on a porous piece of wood or similar
to combat varroa. Because there was no control over the amount
applied, this practise inevitably gave rise to resistance, not only to
Klartan, but to the whole class of synthetic pyrethroids including
Bayvarol and Apistan.
At the risk of repeating what has already been stated many times on
this list, stick to approved products, used according to the label.
!Piet
-
Piet Jager
- Berichten: 2128
- Lid geworden op: za 18 nov 2000, 00:00
- Locatie: Nederland
- Contacteer:
Re: Clartan
The problem with Klartan is that it is not available in a form tested
> and approved for use in beekeeping.
I am not sure what the laws and regulations are in the Philippines, but Klartan
and other formulations of fluvalinate *have* been tested by beekeepers
worldwide, and used widely. Whether such testing and use has been scientific or
wise or legal is open to debate, but I suspect that Western European and North
American beekeepers are newcomers to this problem -- and also very much in a
minority.
> It is thought that beekeepers in Italy used a liquid agricultural
> formulation of Klartan, absorbed on a porous piece of wood or similar
> to combat varroa.
I don't think there is much doubt that just about anything that can kill mites
has been used and is being used with varying degrees of success -- and
governmental acceptance -- today in large areas of Europe and Asia.
The methods of application are many, and range from strips of paper or wood, to
drops of chemical placed on the hive floor, and to aerosol sprays in combination
with acetone and other carriers.
In China a fluvalinate varroa strips are sold in a nice package that contains
something that resembles a cloth strip. It promises to get rid of varroa 'Once
and for all'. See http://www.varroa.com (Is the server still working or has it
disappeared behind the Rice Curtain?) --- As an aside: I sat with Mr Wang, the
proprietor of the firm that makes it, in a cafeteria at Apimondia and had no
idea who he was until after when I read his brochure and saw his picture. My
Chinese was as entirely lacking as was his English
> Because there was no control over the amount
> applied, this practise inevitably gave rise to resistance, not only to
> Klartan, but to the whole class of synthetic pyrethroids including
> Bayvarol and Apistan.
This is often repeated, but is at best an oversimplification, and at worst a lie
that those who sell a penny's worth of chemical for $2 don't mind having
repeated often. There is a lesson to be learned here that will be lost if we
misunderstand what happened and blame the beekeepers instead of those who should
have been designing and supplying an IPM regime.
It was well known *at the outset* that fluvalinate and related substances would
have a life expectancy of about ten years if used annually against varroa unless
rotated frequently with other different methods of control. After that time,
resistance was to be expected to appear somewhere. This has been proven to be
true in Europe and also North America. In both places. The first resistance was
spotted in southern regions. We must also remember that varroa invaded some
such regions long before other places.
Italy is in the south and varroa control there is not the same kind of problem
that it is in the northern areas where brood rearing is seasonal and varroa can
often be controlled with one annual application. Therefore, multiple
applications are necessary annually. No matter what method of application was
used and at what dose, resistance was inevitable.
Whether or not the resistance was hastened by the particular substance which was
chosen and the delivery vehicle, we shall never know. The basic idea of using
one type of control only was entirely responsible for the development of
resistance. Governments, researchers and chemical companies let us down.
Period.
There *are* good reasons, however to consider carefully the advisability of
using a raw agricultural chemical in a honey bee hive that produces food for
humans. Safety, efficacy and legality are all concerns.
In the case of fluvalinate, there are several significant points in favour of
Apistan(r) compared to Klartan, etc. Apistan uses a less common form,
fluvalinate-tau, a non-water soluble form that does not have an affinity for
honey, (although, being oil related, it will enter wax to some degree).
Apistan also has been tested and proven not to contaminate honey if correctly
applied. This is extremely important if one is trying to produce honey for sale
on the market. Buyers *do* look for contamination, and any residues can be
reason for condemnation of a batch of honey or costly recalls. Other 'approved'
chemicals may be no better -- or even worse -- than unapproved methods, but if
there is a problem, you do have someone besides yourself to blame.
> At the risk of repeating what has already been stated many times on
> this list, stick to approved products, used according to the label.
This is good advice. If you go wrong following your local mandates, you will
have lots of company. Nonetheless, this is a worldwide list and what is the law
and custom in northern developed countries may not apply at all in countries
where there is no approval process or rules.
allen
http://www.rossrounds.com/HoneyBee/Diary/
!Piet
> and approved for use in beekeeping.
I am not sure what the laws and regulations are in the Philippines, but Klartan
and other formulations of fluvalinate *have* been tested by beekeepers
worldwide, and used widely. Whether such testing and use has been scientific or
wise or legal is open to debate, but I suspect that Western European and North
American beekeepers are newcomers to this problem -- and also very much in a
minority.
> It is thought that beekeepers in Italy used a liquid agricultural
> formulation of Klartan, absorbed on a porous piece of wood or similar
> to combat varroa.
I don't think there is much doubt that just about anything that can kill mites
has been used and is being used with varying degrees of success -- and
governmental acceptance -- today in large areas of Europe and Asia.
The methods of application are many, and range from strips of paper or wood, to
drops of chemical placed on the hive floor, and to aerosol sprays in combination
with acetone and other carriers.
In China a fluvalinate varroa strips are sold in a nice package that contains
something that resembles a cloth strip. It promises to get rid of varroa 'Once
and for all'. See http://www.varroa.com (Is the server still working or has it
disappeared behind the Rice Curtain?) --- As an aside: I sat with Mr Wang, the
proprietor of the firm that makes it, in a cafeteria at Apimondia and had no
idea who he was until after when I read his brochure and saw his picture. My
Chinese was as entirely lacking as was his English
> Because there was no control over the amount
> applied, this practise inevitably gave rise to resistance, not only to
> Klartan, but to the whole class of synthetic pyrethroids including
> Bayvarol and Apistan.
This is often repeated, but is at best an oversimplification, and at worst a lie
that those who sell a penny's worth of chemical for $2 don't mind having
repeated often. There is a lesson to be learned here that will be lost if we
misunderstand what happened and blame the beekeepers instead of those who should
have been designing and supplying an IPM regime.
It was well known *at the outset* that fluvalinate and related substances would
have a life expectancy of about ten years if used annually against varroa unless
rotated frequently with other different methods of control. After that time,
resistance was to be expected to appear somewhere. This has been proven to be
true in Europe and also North America. In both places. The first resistance was
spotted in southern regions. We must also remember that varroa invaded some
such regions long before other places.
Italy is in the south and varroa control there is not the same kind of problem
that it is in the northern areas where brood rearing is seasonal and varroa can
often be controlled with one annual application. Therefore, multiple
applications are necessary annually. No matter what method of application was
used and at what dose, resistance was inevitable.
Whether or not the resistance was hastened by the particular substance which was
chosen and the delivery vehicle, we shall never know. The basic idea of using
one type of control only was entirely responsible for the development of
resistance. Governments, researchers and chemical companies let us down.
Period.
There *are* good reasons, however to consider carefully the advisability of
using a raw agricultural chemical in a honey bee hive that produces food for
humans. Safety, efficacy and legality are all concerns.
In the case of fluvalinate, there are several significant points in favour of
Apistan(r) compared to Klartan, etc. Apistan uses a less common form,
fluvalinate-tau, a non-water soluble form that does not have an affinity for
honey, (although, being oil related, it will enter wax to some degree).
Apistan also has been tested and proven not to contaminate honey if correctly
applied. This is extremely important if one is trying to produce honey for sale
on the market. Buyers *do* look for contamination, and any residues can be
reason for condemnation of a batch of honey or costly recalls. Other 'approved'
chemicals may be no better -- or even worse -- than unapproved methods, but if
there is a problem, you do have someone besides yourself to blame.
> At the risk of repeating what has already been stated many times on
> this list, stick to approved products, used according to the label.
This is good advice. If you go wrong following your local mandates, you will
have lots of company. Nonetheless, this is a worldwide list and what is the law
and custom in northern developed countries may not apply at all in countries
where there is no approval process or rules.
allen
http://www.rossrounds.com/HoneyBee/Diary/
!Piet
Re: Clartan
Inderaad Albert, zoek met google maar eens op Klartan ipv Clartan, en kijk ook eens op... Clartan (de juiste schrijfwijze weet ik niet) ... gebruikt tegen varroamijten. ....
http://www.bijenhouden.nl/forum/ topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1442&whichpage=3
In de brouse en in Vlaanderen lopen er nog een paar bosnegers en Ouw-Belgen rond die zelf namaak-apistanstrips bricoleer(d)en met behulp van Klartan. Het is een kunstmatig fluvalinaat (net als bij de echte apistanstrips) dat als sproeistof gebruikt wordt in de tuinbouw.
En dat allemaal om de prijs v/e potje honing uit te sparen ....
De gevolgen ervan zijn bekend : de varroamijten wrijven nu hun rug tegen de apistanstrips als ze jeuk hebben ipv er van dood te vallen .....
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